tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post3187431767225398230..comments2024-03-19T08:30:12.854+01:00Comments on Temposchlucker: Defining the real problemTemposchluckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-59437294355445150072007-09-18T19:35:00.000+02:002007-09-18T19:35:00.000+02:00RE: The second is that after 12 days studying a si...RE: The second is that after 12 days studying a single position as snapshot the pieces maybe have not become family, but it are already very good acquaintences.<BR/><BR/>-after spending 12 days with them, they'd be more like prison mates than family, LOL!Pale Morning Dun - Errant Knight de la Mazahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12404376177031016354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-74526132068277682242007-09-18T15:24:00.000+02:002007-09-18T15:24:00.000+02:00Re: Being familiar with positions we've played int...Re: Being familiar with positions we've played into compared with problems from the middle of someone else's game.<BR/><BR/>I find that when I play a strong player, they are very good at complicating the position. So much so, that the familiarity of a position can wash away in the span of 2 or sometimes even 1 unexpected move. This goes hand in hand with Tempo's idea that the difference between the stronger and weaker player is the stronger player's ability to handle the complexity of the problem.<BR/><BR/>Re: If it could hold 100+ items in stead the usual 5-7. Maybe the solution lies in the direction of forming chunks, or templates.<BR/><BR/>This is of course one of the dream scenarios. That we don't need to hold all 100-200 moves of tree in our short term memory. We just need 5-7 chunks, or larger units. This is a believable idea if you've ever seen a grandmaster analyze a position. Somehow they see an entire line all at once. You ask them "what about this move?" and they respond in 2 seconds "no, because of this variation", and it turns out your knight is trapped in 5 moves. It seems they can't be thinking of these moves individually.<BR/><BR/>Alas, I'm not sure we know how to replicate this chunking trick.<BR/><BR/>I do think that Tempo's analysis of these complex positions has led to a lot of insight into how a chess game is won. The posts of this past week have been really great. I hope it leads to some improvement!Loomishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18256742331773514858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-52662226844387722132007-09-18T08:12:00.000+02:002007-09-18T08:12:00.000+02:00Pale,you are quite right that it makes a huge diff...Pale,<BR/>you are quite right that it makes a huge difference if you have coöperated to get the position on the board or not. Yet I have two remarks.<BR/><BR/>The first is that in a lot of games there is a moment that complexity rockets sky high and that I just <I>have</I> to gamble, in order to stop the clock from ticking. Only if you are alert on it you will notice how often that happens. Meaning: complexity has grown over your head..<BR/><BR/>The second is that after 12 days studying a single position as snapshot the pieces maybe have not become family, but it are already very good acquaintences.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-74636189927767492522007-09-18T02:59:00.000+02:002007-09-18T02:59:00.000+02:00My issue with your technique is really an issue wi...My issue with your technique is really an issue with me. That is, I have a difficult time pulling away from the board and looking at the position in isolation. Your problem in the post is a snap shot. But in a game, you would have worked to achieve that position so you would automatically know all the roles of the pieces. They'd be like family. You put the bishops in one spot to serve a purpose, you positioned your knights just so. Further, you would be very familiar with the opponents pieces too. As such, I think you would be able to calculate through a position much faster than you think. But when you look at a position "cold" (like when you do problems) you have to factor in the whole board first.<BR/><BR/>Just talking again here. But I guess I'm trying to outline a limitation to doing problems. Since you didn't create the position yourself, there are limits to what you can achieve with it. Yes?Pale Morning Dun - Errant Knight de la Mazahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12404376177031016354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-20261357695230732062007-09-17T21:12:00.000+02:002007-09-17T21:12:00.000+02:00Tempo-that might be a solution! As Russian presid...Tempo-<BR/>that might be a solution! As Russian president you will have direct access to a whole bunch of GM brainpower. Go for it, I might even cosider becoming Russian to vote for you ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-69686171507604446412007-09-17T19:04:00.000+02:002007-09-17T19:04:00.000+02:00Tak,that is a very good question. I find it diffic...Tak,<BR/>that is a very good question. I find it difficult to describe what is exactly happening. The main cause is that the content of the short term meomory fades away too fast. If it could hold 100+ items in stead the usual 5-7 I probably would have the overview I so desperately need. Even writing it down on paper doesn't suffice, since I still cannot hold more than a few items in my mind so I miss the survey.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the solution lies in the direction of forming chunks, or templates. I just don't know.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-29707959596013896252007-09-17T18:17:00.000+02:002007-09-17T18:17:00.000+02:00Re: Even when there are only 3 candidate moves lef...Re: Even when there are only 3 candidate moves left my mind easy paralyzes<BR/><BR/>My question: Is this a calculation problem or a mnemonic problem ? If you had perfect memory or were able to take notes during play would this be solved?takchesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12700106696079445533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-23184649709468305532007-09-17T16:51:00.000+02:002007-09-17T16:51:00.000+02:00Sciurus,I'm hesitant to formulate a lifelong plan ...Sciurus,<BR/>I'm hesitant to formulate a lifelong plan like Kasparov. Before you know it you end up as the president of Russia!<BR/><BR/>I look at ways to decompose the 3 tasks I tend to mix up a little further.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-50078009122403542882007-09-17T16:47:00.000+02:002007-09-17T16:47:00.000+02:00Blue,playing a lot is of course helpful too, but t...Blue,<BR/>playing a lot is of course helpful too, but the guys that I know of who play 13 hours a day still remain 1400 players.<BR/><BR/>The stepping stone method from Tisdall is usefull in it's own right, but this is no visualisation problem. This is short-circuiting of the brains with your eyes wide open!<BR/><BR/>I will have a look at Zenchess.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-21458376585088654652007-09-17T16:23:00.000+02:002007-09-17T16:23:00.000+02:00I am still not sure if I understand the idea of co...I am still not sure if I understand the idea of complex tactics correctly, but I guess this is because my own problems are much more simple. Anyway, I think narrowing it down to 3 good looking candidate moves sounds like good progress! I just started reading Kasparov's book "How life imitates chess", which is more about planning and strategy in general than about chess. He stresses the importance of having a long-term plan both in chess as well as in 'real' life. I would like to suggest the following: you narrow it down to a few moves that are tactically good by calculation like you try now. Then you try to decide among them by looking which alternative fits best in your overall plan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-64500268319152603492007-09-17T15:43:00.000+02:002007-09-17T15:43:00.000+02:00Zenchess has an interesting post about similar que...<A HREF="http://chessandgo.zenchess.com/" REL="nofollow">Zenchess</A> has an interesting post about similar questions about thinking efficiently. This is a huge problem for me in games, one that has improved a little bit just by playing games.<BR/><BR/>Do you find Tisdall's stepping stones method useful at all? I, frankly, find it of limited use, but I have only given it a limited try.Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-1197565161607619252007-09-17T15:40:00.000+02:002007-09-17T15:40:00.000+02:00What makes the CTB level 5 problems different is t...What makes the CTB level 5 problems different is that many of them I just can't solve without some kind of thinking backwards. I have to see some hidden mate, and then figure out ways to reach it. This is also what makes them much harder than the previous problems.<BR/><BR/><I>Which raises the question "how do you improve your intuition?"<BR/>I can think of no other way than doing lots of problems and formulating lots of narratives.</I><BR/><BR/>Playing a lot?Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.com