tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post4761505297681085105..comments2024-03-28T01:17:43.262+01:00Comments on Temposchlucker: Hard graft, not genes.Temposchluckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-84311289877583392502008-03-12T16:22:00.000+01:002008-03-12T16:22:00.000+01:00PS Good luck with the job change. I know such thin...PS Good luck with the job change. I know such things are always a big stressor. Hope the transition is smooth.Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-50206442417565171772008-03-12T16:21:00.000+01:002008-03-12T16:21:00.000+01:00Tempo: monkeys are reprogrammable. They build proc...Tempo: monkeys are reprogrammable. They build procedural memories like the ability to ride a bike and the like (I think we agree procedural as opposed declarative memory is crucial for chess). They can learn symbol-thing connections (e.g., red square means 'bananna'), but are not so good with learning syntactic rules defined over the symbols.<BR/><BR/>Plus, they probably don't give a crap as they don't have egos :)<BR/><BR/>If chess were only procedural reinforcement learning algorithms would do well at chess. They don't (but they are great at backgammon). <BR/><BR/>So there is more to it.Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-36004680094292311492008-03-12T07:42:00.000+01:002008-03-12T07:42:00.000+01:00Blue,about the monkey:this means that brains in ge...Blue,<BR/><BR/>about the monkey:<BR/>this means that brains in general aren't reprogrammbable. Otherwise a monkey could learn any task.<BR/><BR/>So what is different in the human brains? That different part must be reprogrammable. Is it only one area (of functions) or are there more?<BR/><BR/>And what we have in common? I sometimes play like a monkey.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-51309985723757571742008-03-12T07:10:00.000+01:002008-03-12T07:10:00.000+01:00Blue,I'm busy with acquiring a new job which takes...Blue,<BR/><BR/>I'm busy with acquiring a new job which takes all my focus and energy right now. So I'm taking a break from blogging and all non-OTB chess. It is a good moment for a break since I have reached a few definite conclusions lately. Which will lead to a fresh start after the break. I don't know how long the break is going to last, probably a few months. But I will come back.<BR/>Wish me luck.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-47872179469172808622008-03-11T21:29:00.000+01:002008-03-11T21:29:00.000+01:00I bet a monkey can't learn chess no matter how man...I bet a monkey can't learn chess no matter how many hours we spend teaching it. :)<BR/><BR/>Tempo, where are you??Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-15384918856364013152008-03-03T01:56:00.000+01:002008-03-03T01:56:00.000+01:00I think the scientists conclusion deserves a discu...I think the scientists conclusion deserves a discussion of how the musician chose their instrument. For example, if a musician chooses the flute over the oboe and the saxophone because the flute sounds the best to them, that would indicate to me that the brain response to their particular instrument is present before the training, not after. Of course, I could be way off in how a musician chooses their instrument.Loomishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18256742331773514858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-56639791023136230422008-03-03T01:52:00.000+01:002008-03-03T01:52:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07792969418302799223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-5219355164420396192008-02-25T01:51:00.000+01:002008-02-25T01:51:00.000+01:00I think a small adjustment to the old proverb is c...I think a small adjustment to the old proverb is called for:<BR/><BR/>"the more I practice, the more talented I get"<BR/><BR/>:)wormwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03660805360182226665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-33040903354362650742008-02-20T23:38:00.000+01:002008-02-20T23:38:00.000+01:00Phaedrus,There are of course matters that are impo...Phaedrus,<BR/>There are of course matters that are important to chess that are native. But the brains, unlike muscles, remain adaptive after birth. During your whole life, to be precise. So the relative influence of matters that are native diminishes overtime when the brain adapts.<BR/><BR/>If you compare Kasparov the prodigy with Judith Polgar the trainee, the prodigy becomes the number one of the world while the trainee managed to become number 10. Besides that, there are alot of prodigies that end up plateauing on 2300.<BR/><BR/>The fact is that we don't know what the effect would be on Kasparov if he had undergone the Polgar training. But for now there is little evidence that innate talent is paramount for chess.<BR/><BR/>If the father of Mozart wasn't a musician but a cooper for instance, and there was no piano in his neighbourhood, what would have become of his talent? Environment is essential. In case of the Polgar sisters that happened to be papa Polgar.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-10886095619331209182008-02-20T19:40:00.000+01:002008-02-20T19:40:00.000+01:00Still its hard to believe Salieri was completely w...Still its hard to believe Salieri was completely wrong when he cursed god for giving all that talent to Amadeus Mozart.Phaedrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05393639592979349429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-62574700383247719722008-02-18T23:23:00.000+01:002008-02-18T23:23:00.000+01:00with training instead of genetics then, you will b...with training instead of genetics then, you will be 2000 'before no time' as we say in English, meaning very fast.<BR/><BR/>you are a blessing to know. thank you as always<BR/><BR/>warmest, dk<BR/><BR/>PS and by the way, we all appreciate your sharing <A HREF="http://chesstrainerphaedrus.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Phaedrus</A>--who never disappoints (just like you in that way). <BR/><BR/>:)transformationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10834788878068428887noreply@blogger.com