tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post6948482434268044126..comments2024-03-28T01:17:43.262+01:00Comments on Temposchlucker: Intensity of consciousnessTemposchluckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-55694681800101795102009-03-17T21:21:00.000+01:002009-03-17T21:21:00.000+01:00Chesstiger,the button isn't broken or jammed, the ...Chesstiger,<BR/>the button isn't broken or jammed, the problem is that we don't realize we operate on autopilot. But the more you learn to do things automatic, the more we are inclined to do things automatic. Autopilot is a state that costs less energy, so there is a natural preference for the state.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-5100767351788483322009-03-17T11:53:00.000+01:002009-03-17T11:53:00.000+01:00So you are saying that how older you are the more ...So you are saying that how older you are the more kickstarts of the brain you need to learn something because our old grey matter which we call brain is set on autopilot and the button to switch the brain back to full mode concentration to broken, jamming?From the patzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04499383398575774704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-20086191461768052212009-03-16T05:29:00.000+01:002009-03-16T05:29:00.000+01:00I wonder how motion patterns fit into all this. I ...I wonder how motion patterns fit into all this. I have no idea what the english term for them are, but I mean the procedural muscle memory related to any complex physical movement. like throwing a ball. - studies show those patterns develop roughly before you turn 14 or so, after which it becomes very difficult to acquiring new patterns. which is the reason why a right-handed adult has extreme difficulties learning to throw with his LEFT hand.<BR/><BR/>so, when we work these chess things right into muscle memory, we're actually offloading the task from our conscious mind, much like what you're talking about, but into a different type of unconscious memory.<BR/><BR/>now, the question is, are visualisation drills neglecting this resource completely, as the processing of problems happens without physically moving any pieces. or, are the drills still having the same effect motion pattern-wise, due to simply THINKING of moving the pieces.<BR/><BR/>I'd be inclined to think the latter is true, as we do know simply even watching someone throwing a ball excites the very same areas of brain as if we threw the ball ourselves. but it's a question to be asked, and a distinction to be made. there is a difference, and in some type of training it might matter.<BR/><BR/><BR/>loosely related to that, I went on ICC today, and tried mating KQ vs KR. it's been months since I've seriously drilled it the last time, maybe even half a year. so I thought I'd probably fail miserably, since I can't really say I have it in my active conscious mind anymore.<BR/><BR/>but the results were quite surprising: straight from the start I realized I couldn't really visualize much any of the important squares anymore. I couldn't see which squares were controlled etc, instead it was a sea of square confusion with the pieces floating in the middle. just like when you're really tired and just can't force yourself to see the board properly. -but oddly enough, the moves actually came to me without much trying. I won more than half of the endings, which is quite close to when I'd been drilling the ending daily for a couple of months. and the weird thing is, I mostly couldn't rationalize WHY I made the moves, but they just came out correct. I couldn't see properly, nor give reasoning for moves, yet I kept mating the computer. it was almost like my hand was possessed, and something outside me made the moves. and I think it must've been muscle memory from drilling the mate hundreds (thousands?) of times.wormwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03660805360182226665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-78236626817195225712009-03-15T11:43:00.000+01:002009-03-15T11:43:00.000+01:00I very much agree on the importance of using your ...I very much agree on the importance of using your consciousness when you are acquiring news skills on a later age. This is the reason that I focus so much on explicitly naming patterns (some would say themes or motives) when I solve positions.Phaedrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05393639592979349429noreply@blogger.com