tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post5168903877108472903..comments2024-03-28T01:17:43.262+01:00Comments on Temposchlucker: Is a pin a tactic?Temposchluckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-1973569802425163232007-11-17T12:10:00.000+01:002007-11-17T12:10:00.000+01:00In chess, there is strategy and tactics. Strategy ...<I>In chess, there is strategy and tactics. Strategy involves long-term concepts, while tactics are immediate. Strategy is academic and theoretical; tactics are practical and concrete. You can win without strategy. If you do not apply effective tactics on every move, you will not survive long.</I><BR/><A HREF="http://jeremysilman.com/chess_instruction/Ziatdinov_Pt_5.html" REL="nofollow">Grandmaster Rashid Ziatdinov</A>Glenn Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098720545929557126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-79862678525210024812007-11-17T11:10:00.000+01:002007-11-17T11:10:00.000+01:00Polly,yes, that's how I like definitions. Clean, s...Polly,<BR/>yes, that's how I like definitions. Clean, simple and practical. Not necessarily scientificly correct.<BR/><BR/><I>Tactic: A mode of action charecterized by use of threats towin material or mate the opposing king.<BR/><BR/></I>Because of a discussion of terms with Christian I started to use the word "attack" in stead of "threat". But in the example in my post that you mention both the bishop and the knight are under attack though only the bishop is threatened. So I must reintroduce the duplo-threat again in stead of the duplo-attack.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-55684171919307640392007-11-17T07:16:00.000+01:002007-11-17T07:16:00.000+01:00Your first example reminds me of positions that my...Your first example reminds me of positions that my students will comment on by saying "I'm forking the bishop and the knight." I then explain that yes the queen is attacking two pieces, but one is guarded and the other can move away.<BR/><BR/>I like the simply explanation that's in the glossary of Weeramantry's Best Lessons on a Chess Coach.<BR/><BR/>Tactic: A mode of action charecterized by use of threats towin material or mate the opposing king.<BR/><BR/>Stratagy: Formulation and execution of a long-term plan designed to improve one's position.Pollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13747958243702670987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-54284119678128371122007-11-17T01:51:00.000+01:002007-11-17T01:51:00.000+01:00To clarify my earlier comment, I would choose #4:4...To clarify my earlier comment, I would choose #4:<BR/>4. <I>A <B>combination</B> gains an advantage in a forced way.</I><BR/><BR/>This is similar to the "full Yuri" without requiring the background. <BR/><BR/>I think that the word you are actually looking for is combination (not tactics).<BR/><BR/>"Tactics is the art of using troops in battle; strategy is the art of using battles to win the war."<BR/>-Carl von ClausewitzGlenn Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098720545929557126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-31549593218412270482007-11-16T17:10:00.000+01:002007-11-16T17:10:00.000+01:00Glenn: forced stalemate tactics are a good putativ...Glenn: forced stalemate tactics are a good putative counterexample to the wood-gaining definition of tactics.<BR/><BR/>For tactics you say: A tactic gains a tangible advantage in a forced way.<BR/><BR/>I think this is pretty good, as long as it includes 'forced' (which implies that significant material or mating considerations are in play).<BR/><BR/>For beginners I think the wood-grabbing definition is OK.<BR/><BR/>However, your quoted definition of a combination is awful. It's not clear what the terms mean (e.g., 'connecting pieces'), much less what the sentence means. To quote that as if it has some authority is a mistake: you'd need a whole post to explain what the hell he is talking about in that definition. Then we could argue about whether the definition is good or not.<BR/><BR/>I just think of a combination as a tactic that involves more than one basic tactical motif (i.e., a <I>combination</I> of motifs). An asset is that it leaves open to you to define what a tactic is.Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-73301273108683657872007-11-16T14:01:00.000+01:002007-11-16T14:01:00.000+01:00Glenn,2. A tactic gains a tangible advantage in a ...Glenn,<BR/><I>2. A tactic gains a tangible advantage in a forced way.<BR/><BR/></I>Be carefull! Before you know it you have broadened the definition of tactics beyond practicality:)<BR/>The field of activity of tactics is the gain of wood. Tangible or intangible advantages are a side effect of avoiding the loss of wood. Those are called "positional advantages". A positional advantage enhances the chance for future tactical gain. Solely.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-61257117039129009552007-11-16T13:05:00.000+01:002007-11-16T13:05:00.000+01:001. A tactic gains wood in a forced way.add in more...1. <I>A tactic gains wood in a forced way.</I><BR/><BR/>add in more types of tangible gain --><BR/><BR/>2. <I>A tactic gains a tangible advantage in a forced way.</I><BR/>(includes force stalemate in an otherwise lost position)<BR/><BR/>add in intangible gain --><BR/><BR/>3. <I>A tactic gains an advantage in a forced way.</I><BR/>(includes gain control of a key square, etc.)<BR/><BR/>use the proper term :) --><BR/><BR/>4. <I>A combination gains an advantage in a forced way.</I><BR/>(includes gain control of a key square, etc.)<BR/><BR/>the full Yuri --><BR/><BR/>5. <I>A combination is "a rearrangement of the connection of pieces of both sides, which forces a co-ordinated connection of contacts, which is advantageous to one side." [Chess Tactics for Advanced Players by Yuri Averbakh].</I><BR/><BR/>A pin is not a tactic (nor a combination). Like a hand grenade, it is a weapon. <BR/><BR/>Deciding to supply your soldiers with hand grenades is strategic. Using a hand grenade is tactical. Using a hand grenade to force an advantage is a combination.<BR/><BR/>And yes, these are just words. But a tactic which is a combination is commonly called a ... combination. All combinations are tactics, but not all tactics are combinations.Glenn Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06098720545929557126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-40628153083307439822007-11-15T19:39:00.000+01:002007-11-15T19:39:00.000+01:00There is no tactic as long as the pin is still in ...There is no tactic as long as the pin is still in the hand grenade.Temposchluckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07977208394417444785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10713928.post-1511068032944443272007-11-15T19:27:00.000+01:002007-11-15T19:27:00.000+01:00"I consider the king as wood and mate as a trap."E..."I consider the king as wood and mate as a trap."<BR/><BR/>Excellent way to accommodate the King into the defintion. Quite nice, especially mate as trap.<BR/><BR/>I think this definition of tactic is the most clear. From other definitions I have seen it isn't as clear (though Heisman's 'science of piece safety' is nice).<BR/><BR/>And then to deal with putative counterexamples such as were brought up yesterday, you can say, yes those are tactical constraints on the position, by which I mean if you do X (move out of pin) you will lose wood. So the constraints exist because of the potential tactic, not because there is a tactic in a pin.Blue Devil Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045468316613818510noreply@blogger.com